G+_Carlton Dodd Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 My sub-$200 ZMR 250 build, including transmitter and batteries. No FPV yet, and I'm too old to worry about it being light/fast for racing, but should be fun to build and fly. Originally shared by Carlton Dodd My foray into quad building begins! I have several toy-class quads, and a Phantom 3 Pro (a gift, which is now in for repair - long story). I wanted to try out building from a kit. I purchased almost everything for a ZMR250 as a kit, and added the transmitter, LiPo monitor, and charger, all from AliExpress for about $165. I wanted to keep this trial low-cost, but expandable. The charger wasn't in the box, so I'll go through the refund hassle, and just order one from Amazon, where I got my batteries. No FPV kit yet, but I'm currently at about $200 all-in. Wish me luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Mick Carson Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Drone? You mean a robotic noise? That's what drone means, a noise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Carlton Dodd Posted November 17, 2015 Author Share Posted November 17, 2015 Mick Carson I'm not sure what you're talking about. I didn't use the word "drone" at all in my post. To be fair, my Phantom 3 is a drone: "an unmanned aircraft or ship that can navigate autonomously, without human control or beyond line of sight" (dictionary.com). Many GPS-enabled multi-rotors have at least some autonomous capability and are therefore properly labeled as "drones". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Mick Carson Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Carlton Dodd????? LOL Carlton. But do you really know what the word 'drone' means? Like 'whir', which means a high frequency noise, such as electric saws, jet engine, etc., but nobody calls anything a Whir. Yet, 'drone', meaning a loud, low frequency and deep noise such as piston engines and propellers of aircrafts of the 20's-60's droning the air in those days, is used to name gadgets without realizing that people are actually saying 'sound' whenever they call anything a drone, e.g. "My drone flies fast". You're actually saying, "My sound flies fast", therefore confusing the subject because 'drone' is a word used to describe a type of low frequency, deep tone noise. When you say 'drone' you mean a sound. It just doesn't go into a sentence because a flying gadget cannot be named a sound, can it? If so, why not call them a Whir, a Buzz, or Humm, which each of these words all mean a different sound when expressing the type of sounds? And, this one is also a catch 22 when it comes to synonyms. How can 'drone' be a 'whir', 'buzz', 'murmur', 'rumble'?? It doesn't make sense in my opinion to use a word that means a noise to name a gadget. Also, bear with me for a little longer. You said unmanned aerial aircrafts? LOL. Since when have aircrafts flown unmanned? Okay, I believe you but do you really believe aircrafts can fly unmanned when there are people behind computers and sophisticated GPS systems that control any aircraft in the comfort of their chairs? How can you call that unmanned? In your example of a Quadcopter being flown unmanned, first of all, I have never seen a radio controlled model with a person in it, therefore it can't be classified as manned, nor unmanned because it has never had a person onboard. Secondly, like you said it is unmanned, how can it be flown unmanned when you are there controlling and flying it with your radio? It just doesn't make any sense. That is why during my English studies I discovered a lot of errors and flaw in the Oxford Dictionaries. But, honestly I am not here to debate about using wrong and meaninngless words in a sentence. If your model is a Quadcopter or Multirotor, how can it be named a drone when drone is a word used to express an annoying loud sound that 'drones' another sound, such as when having a conversation and a jackhammer is droning the conversation. If drone means an aircraft, what word to you use in a situation where the jackhammer sound is unbearable and blocks the ability to hear a person's conversation? There you are. I told you there is a sort of Catch 22 with these confusing words used to name something when the word means a noise but nobody says... "My Whir flies faster than yours". Why? Because 'whir' may be used to describe a different sound pitch but to call a Quadcopter a Whir, it really does sound mean or aggressive, more like a poofter's toy than a weapon of mass destruction. Am I right. Study the Dictionary and see how many mistakes are there. Yet, those Oxford University nutcases think they're geniuses by adding crappy words and senseless subwords in synonyms that take you back to the first word you had started. Look at the word 'detrimental' and its synonyms and see. The word 'detrimental' means 'to cause harm', but in all those bullshit synonyms we see the word 'unfortunate'. But when clicking on 'unfortunate', you look at the synonyms and there is no 'detrimental'. So, even if there is 'detrimental' under 'unfortunate' as synonyms, the two do not make any sense. The word 'detrimental' means to cause harm, while 'unfortunate' means bad luck. One of the main reasons why I like to argue a lot about this shitty English language that is going to the dogs as the years go by. Thanks to the nutcases from Oxford University. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Mick Carson Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Wayne Hobbins?? I was actually talking about using a wordcthat is used to describe a type of sound. I was not discussing about some ignorant idiot using the 'drone' word to name a queen bee or even those who call a stngless bee a drone. I was referring about the shitty English language going to the dogs because people use wrong words to name something and wrong words in sentences. Have you ever figured out why politicians and Lawyers use such words as to confuse a jury to make them find an innocent guilty? Drone is not a word to be used as a name. If you have no idea on what I was talking about in my previous comment above, I hope you understand this time that 'drone' is a word used to describe a noise or sound, just like 'kiss' means to put your lips on anything and smooch with a sound. Can you call a flying gadget 'kiss'? Of course you can't. Can you call a flying gadget 'hello'? Of course you cant, because Hello is actually a surname, but it is also used as a phone communication and in meetings, as in 'ciao'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Carlton Dodd Posted November 17, 2015 Author Share Posted November 17, 2015 Mick Carson Wow, long reply. I understand your frustration about the parallel and changing meanings of words. I do have three points for you, though: 1-English, like all languages currently spoken, is a "living language". This means words are added, forgotten, and changed in meaning over time. (This is why Latin is used in science; it is a "dead" language, and doesn't change.) "Drone" has been added to the English language as a word meaning an autonomous vehicle. 2-"Drone" was chosen, not for the sound, but for the obedient worker bees, also called drones in English. "Drone" is also often used to describe a low-level corporate worker, stuck in his job and routine. 3-I can program my Phantom 3 to fly a course, and then not touch the controller. At that point, it is flying autonomously. Similarly, if I am flying the Phantom, and shut off the controller, it will return to it's launch position, land, and shut down its motors without any input; autonomously. Thus, by current definition, it is a drone. Don't let words get you down. Just go with the meanings that people are trying to convey. (Wow, my reply ended up pretty long, as well!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Fr. Robert Ballecer, SJ Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Mick Carson? take it down a notch, please. You're coming across as hostile and ranty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Jeff Brand Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Jumping into this fray (which is getting about as hostile as the GIF/JIF rants): Pedantic vocabulary lessons aside, "drone" is a commonly accepted term for a UAV. While some would require some level of automation in the definition, the general public and media's use of it rarely considers that distinction. Considering that, multi-rotors always function with some level of automation - even in Acro-mode, I believe. The "unmanned" portion means that the aircraft is not piloted from someone in or on the vehicle. Now that's out of the way, cool asymmetric props! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Jeff Brand Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 Meanwhile, back in reality, words like drone and unmanned can have multiple meanings without your approval. For example, quack is a noise, but it can mean something else, too. FAA's summarized definition of unmanned vehicles (UAS) as provided in their FAQ: https://www.faa.gov/uas/faq/#qn1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Carlton Dodd Posted November 18, 2015 Author Share Posted November 18, 2015 Jeff Brand I think it's time to realize we're not dealing with an open mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Frank Wolfe Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 Would you mind sharing a link for the kit you bought? I have been shopping around and would like to see what parts came with the one you ordered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Carlton Dodd Posted November 20, 2015 Author Share Posted November 20, 2015 Frank Wolfe Sure thing! Oh, God... I have to go to the SECOND page of my AliExpress orders to find it. I may have a problem. http://www.aliexpress.com/item/250-Mini-Pure-Carbon-Fiber-Quadcopter-Frame-NAZE32-10DOF-Flight-Controller-2204-2300KV-Motor-12A-ESC/32357121613.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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