G+_John D. Hawkins Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 OK KITA's I need recommendations on a NAS to be used at home. It needs to be robust and able to except lots of read/writes. We have been through a few that have died for different reasons. The last one was simply because my wife stacked some DVD's up against it and it overheated and cooked it. Motors have died etc... I can't afford thousands of dollars I just need reliable redundant backup. Differential backups would be nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Travis Hershberger Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Build it yourself then. I'd recommend running the backup and storage of of centos, but FreeNAS works if you don't have the skill to do it yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Ben Reese Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 I agree that DIY is a great option. For an out-of-the-box experience, Synology and Qnap both have excellent reputations even among server admins with YouTube channels. And if you want DIY with the benefit of Synology software, check out the XPenology project. It's hard to beat the flexibility and price of a home-built solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Benjamin Webb Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Well Freenas done proper with ECC ram and server grade motherboard your still in the neighborhood of $400-$500 before adding processor and drives. Do save usually about $200-$300 vs off the shelf and can pick more reliable parts. Suggest spend some of that on UPS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Golden Retriever Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Padre said synology is the only one that handles power hiccups well he said most other NAS's need to be on a continuous rather than a switching UPS because they die quicker than the UPS can switch itself on and continuous UPS's are not only very expensive but need their batteries replaced all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Benjamin Webb Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 No idea where he gets that from. Most of the newer more efficient power supplies require a full sine wave or they will not work which is a little more expensive but have never seen a UPS not switch over fast enough. Granted my NAS box is home built. I would not trust a power supply that does not have the capacitors to ride out at least two cycles and would question the quality of electricity getting to the components if it did not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Peter Hanse Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 Is power consumption issue then look at Qnap and Synology over home built. I like both but don't have time for home built issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Benjamin Webb Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 My haswell Pentium homebuilt uses 40W with 6 spinning hard drives. Bet you can get Kaby Lake to 30W or less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Peter Hanse Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 Benjamin Webb that is great. Always good to keep power in check when building NAS. Seen some builds that don't keep it balanced for needs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_John D. Hawkins Posted April 19, 2017 Author Share Posted April 19, 2017 Okay, I'm going to check out the Synology as I don't have the expertise to build and maintain a unit myself. It is a project I'd love to screw around with at some point though as a "not" mission critical experiment. At the moment I need a reliable unit with redundancy to protect our important docs and photos locally in addition to Amazon and Google Drive. She had/has a second 1TB internal drive on her machine but it no longer shows up under My Computer. It does show up in device manager. I will keep educating myself. Thank you very much guys I really really appreciate your input I just think you may be a bit over my head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Peter Hanse Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 John D. Hawkins if you want to sync to google drive Amazon etc you will like Synology. For cheep storage check out Amazon to do backup of NAS to. $60 a year unlimited storage. We use as encrypted backup with Hyper backup from our Synology. amazon.com - Welcome to Amazon Drive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_John D. Hawkins Posted April 19, 2017 Author Share Posted April 19, 2017 Peter Hanse actually we are using the paid Amazon service. I had issues getting it to work properly but seems to be working. I just tried pricing out a build on a Synology but came out to almost $600 w/ drives. Going to have to reconfigure for a more wallet friendly setup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Ben Reese Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 John D. Hawkins I had the same sticker shock ? when I went to configure one. I've pretty much settled on turning my old system into a NAS with either FreeNAS or XPenology when I get the $$$ to build. If you don't have old hardware to repurpose, maybe there's something on Craigslist? I've seen 3rd or 4th gen i5 desktops listed in the Kansas City area for around $200. I suspect you could find an old UPS needing a battery for cheap too. Combined with a good backup, I'd expect a reliable system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_John D. Hawkins Posted April 19, 2017 Author Share Posted April 19, 2017 I have an old server that has a pair of 60G scuzzy drives in it. But I've actually loaded Fedora Red Hat on it. But I'm not sure how to go about getting a wireless NIC to attach it to my network and whether or not that would even be secure and usable for this function. My old boss just pointed to a pile of them sitting in the corner of his office and asked me if I wanted one. I took it home, loaded Fedora onto it and never have found another use for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Ben Reese Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 Nice. Will it take SATA drives and have 3 or 4 free bays? Servers usually use a lot more power, but could get you by a few years until something better comes up. My PlayHouse? does quite a bit with old server hardware (mostly IBM/Lenovo) on YouTube. Might be worth checking out for inspiration if you haven't already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Peter Hanse Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 John D. Hawkins how much storage you looking for? We use DS713+ with two 2 tb drives one external 5 Tb for local backup of NAS and Amazon Drive is paid service only 60 a year but gets me better cost then glacier for cost. We also had 2 old windows servers but sick of messing with windows so went all OS X in office and OS X server but Apple does not seam to care about server so moved to Synology handles our storage, mail server, security cams, and desktop file sync. Also looked at open source NAS so far like Synology but many open source NAS are good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_John D. Hawkins Posted April 19, 2017 Author Share Posted April 19, 2017 I'd like 2+ plus TB but ultimately it has to come in at a price that I can sell to my wife. She runs one company, is the bookkeeper, for another plus running our house and all that entails. It needs to be stout and easy enough for my to admin and her to use without to much thought. I'm looking at Synology and I think I might have one under the $400 dollar range but I'd like to get to like $350. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_John D. Hawkins Posted April 19, 2017 Author Share Posted April 19, 2017 I'm looking at this NAS with two WD Red 1TB NAS HDD in a RAID 1. But even that is over $400 and only gives me a single terabyte of storage. amazon.com - Amazon.com: Synology DS216J NAS DiskStation (DS216j): Computers & Accessories Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Ben Reese Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 I believe the 2 TB Red drives on Amazon are $83 WD Red 2TB NAS Hard Disk Drive - 5400 RPM Class SATA 6 Gb/s 64MB Cache 3.5 Inch - WD20EFRX https://www.amazon.com/dp/B008JJLZ7G/ That gets you in the $350 range. If you have a Microcenter in your area, I belive they have Red drives cheaper than Amazon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Peter Hanse Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 When you select your drive make sure to review on compatibility list to see if any known issues synology.com - Compatibility | Synology Inc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_John D. Hawkins Posted April 21, 2017 Author Share Posted April 21, 2017 Ben Reese So a single drive now add the second for redundancy later? Cool idea! Grassy ass! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Ben Reese Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 John D. Hawkins not quite sure what that means... I'd start with 2 drives. I personally need more than 2TB, so I'm hoping to use 4 × 3TB drives. And you could step it up to 3TB in RAID 1 for not too much more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Ben Reese Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 John D. Hawkins urban dictionary to the rescue. Day nodda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_John D. Hawkins Posted April 21, 2017 Author Share Posted April 21, 2017 Peter Hanse thank you very much! Looks like the reds will work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_John D. Hawkins Posted April 21, 2017 Author Share Posted April 21, 2017 Ben Reese LOL sorry about that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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