G+_Terry Henderson Posted August 17, 2016 Share Posted August 17, 2016 Originally shared by Terry Henderson In The "What Could Possibly Go Wrong" Category : Ford to ship self-driving cars without steering wheels, brake or gas pedals by 2021 http://tcrn.ch/2boxx1H Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Travis Hershberger Posted August 17, 2016 Share Posted August 17, 2016 So.... security? . . . Anyone? . . . Thought not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Ben Reese Posted August 17, 2016 Share Posted August 17, 2016 I could be wrong, but I don't think Ford has been in the news much for security issues. I'm a little biased (dad and brother both work for Ford), but it seems Ford takes security fairly seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Travis Hershberger Posted August 17, 2016 Share Posted August 17, 2016 Every car manufacturer takes security seriously. But they've all also proven that they don't understand that you have to have physical separation between the computer controlling the vehicle and any gadgets in the vehicles (entertainment systems, bluetooth, etc.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Guy Couturier Posted August 17, 2016 Share Posted August 17, 2016 I'll admit I haven't read the article, but if the vehicle were "fly by wire" and had a joystick... (fwd is gas... back is brake) it could satisfy the title of the article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Rud Dog Posted August 17, 2016 Share Posted August 17, 2016 You would think until they figure out why the Tesla auto pilot did not see the semi trailer this kind of claim would be off limits. Or did they figure that one out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Eddie Foy Posted August 17, 2016 Share Posted August 17, 2016 Ford: Friggin Out Right Dangerous. Rud Dog more of a concern why was the Tesla autopilot speeding? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Guy Couturier Posted August 17, 2016 Share Posted August 17, 2016 Eddie Foy?... autopilot is a misnomer. It's cruise control with added intelligence. Driver can set autopilot wherever they want Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Rud Dog Posted August 17, 2016 Share Posted August 17, 2016 Eddie Foy in agreement with Guy Couturier the speed was more of a function of the driver setting the speed via cruise control. Still puzzled why the large object was missed but the system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Guy Couturier Posted August 17, 2016 Share Posted August 17, 2016 Probably just a rumor.. but I heard the tractor trailer was actually driving across the highway which allowed the lidar to see underneath it and between the wheels. So most likely it was just an issue of a particular case that Tesla had never considered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Ben Reese Posted August 17, 2016 Share Posted August 17, 2016 I think you're right. Also not sure if Tesla is using lidar (https://9to5google.com/2015/10/16/elon-musk-says-that-the-lidar-google-uses-in-its-self-driving-car-doesnt-make-sense-in-a-car-context/) If it's only using cameras, it's very possible the system thought the tractor trailer was the horizon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Ben Reese Posted August 17, 2016 Share Posted August 17, 2016 As for separation of entertainment system from the CAN bus, there is a link there in modern Fords - though I'm not sure it could be used to control the vehicle. For example, my C-Max has the Sync radio system and it can use the bluetooth connection to my phone to send "health reports" to Ford where I can get them online. (Not my preferred method to check the oil life, but probably better for "normal" users.) My guess is this is just tied into the high-speed OBD2 bus which - to the best of my knowledge - can't actually control the vehicle. Not that it can't be hacked - just that it would take a lot more effort and shorter range than something like OnStar or Uconnect where the vehicle has it's own radios/phone number and can directly unlock doors or shut off the engine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Rud Dog Posted August 17, 2016 Share Posted August 17, 2016 Thinking out loud. If the engineers involved in the design have used what ever technology to scan the area in front of the car to a certain width and height, this really sounds like a rookie mistake. Find it hard t believe. There are many instances where the window which is the gap underneath semi would be encountered in real life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Douglas Biggers Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 IIRC, there was very little contrast between the trailer and the sky, and the camera+software, NOT a Tesla part(yet), wasn't coded to detect it. No doubt Tesla will make their own camera and software, as they are trying to make as much of their cars in house as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Eddie Foy Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 Using just a single sensor is an utter failure for public safety. Radar, lidar, ultra sonic, etc. should have also been employed. Tesla should be taken to task (legally/criminally) over this. Calling it a 'beta' does not absolve you of liability when public safety is on the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Ben Reese Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 I'm really torn on that. It's a driver assistant, not a driver replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Rud Dog Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 Rudimentary thought.What is puzzling me is if it is front facing radar why does it not bounce off the trailer rig as it is not color that affects the bounce back or am I incorrect in my assumption. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Ben Reese Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 Rud Dog because I'm 95% sure it's not radar, but instead, cameras. Similar to a driver looking at it and trying to determine whether he's looking at the sky or a truck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Rud Dog Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 This is not in depth research but clipped this from an article referencing the way Tesla sees the road and how they plan on improving it: The new hardware includes three front-facing cameras instead of just one, plus more radar sensors. Currently the Model S and Model X have just one front-facing camera and one radar system pointing forwards; it is now believed the updated system will have radar on each corner of the vehicle. Again taken with a grain of salt as I only did a quick search between sips of coffee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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