G+_610GARAGE Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 The car hacking segment got me thinkin. Am I the only one who hates all of the tech that is in a modern car. Now I'm not asking in light of the hackability of the computers in a car, but in general because, well, I personally hate it. For example, my family went shopping for a new car for my mom, and I found out that everything is fly by wire. When the salesman said that the steering was fly by wire, I said "so if you don't have electric, then you don't have steering" in which he replied "if you don't have electricity, than the car won't run". Ignoring the possibility (albeit unlikely possibility) of a catastrophic power failure while driving, how many people had to push a cars into the garage because of a malfunction. I'm also not a fan of the driver assist garbage. I was driving my moms old car kinda hard, and it seemed like the computer was trying to guess how much braking I wanted. ??? I know how to drive and how much brake I need. But my biggest annoyance is that you need special software to work on a car. Granted, the thing that was talked about in the car hacking segment would help with that, but when car manufactures find out that they are losing money from service, it won't take them long to patch that. And what happens in 20 years when the computers fail, the car just gets crushed. Popular cars may have aftermarket computers, but others won't be so lucky. So tell me, do you guys feel the same, or am I alone on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Ben Reese Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 Is the steering entirely fly by wire? There are redundancies in the electrical system since you have both an alternator and a battery. If you have a catastrophic power failure that takes both of those out your engine will also die since the timing is now electronic too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_610GARAGE Posted March 28, 2015 Author Share Posted March 28, 2015 Ben Reese I asked that exact question, but the salesman didn't answer me directly. But from what I understood, it is completely drive by wire. We did buy the car (its a Toyota Avalon hybrid), and I would throw my head underneath to look, but I pretty sure that it will be covered with plastic. :( I'm not necessarily saying that there will be accidents from loss of electrical power. I guess what I am saying is that when kids in the future buy a fixer upper, there going to have a tough time pushing it into their garage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Eddie Foy Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 Points, non resistor plugs, and copper core ignition cables on a 1970 anything. Watch all the computer cars go nuts. :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Adam EL-Idrissi Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 Personally all this tech in cars is annoying as crap. I have a 93 civic and my only "power" option was ac(took it out when I did a motor swap since it wasn't working and wouldn't fit). Manual lock doors,roll up windows.don't even have power brakes(yet. Switching to rear disks and a brake power booster). I love it. Don't even have power steering. But then again I'm bigger than my car. I drive my car pretty hard on the weekends and I know how much braking I can get,how hard I can take a turn, what rpm to laugh at.anything. I know it. To me driving a car like mine gives you the feeling you need to know a car and how it acts. I hate abs because its always acting up. Too soft where it doesn't work or too hard where it locks the brakes up. Power steering adds slop to steering response. Drive by wire isbtoo slow and unreliable. Of the throttle body motor goes out you have two options, new tb or new motor depending on car. $20-$60 I got a new throttle cable and 30 minutes later its in. Electric power steering is more efficient. When it works. I've seen videos and experienced the steering wobble where you try to turn and the motor/sensor/ecu is messed up and the steering wheel starts to jump around. Think broken servo that's twitching. And motors having a million sensors just to turn on and tell you the oil temp. Cars are getting more complicated with convenience and making unsafe drivers,IMO. If your car can do everything then why know how it works? And if self driving cars take over what happens when some thing fails and the driver doesn't know how to react since they've never actually driven? Sorry for getting kind of ranty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_610GARAGE Posted March 31, 2015 Author Share Posted March 31, 2015 Adam EL-Idrissi That kind of reminds me what I say about my 94 Jeep wrangler. It will get you form point A to point B dead or alive. :) Although I'm not entirely sure what you mean when you say this technology is making unsafe drivers. You wouldn't be suggesting that lane guidance and automatic braking would give people more confidence to check Facebook/send texts while driving, would you. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Adam EL-Idrissi Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 610bob? lol. No.never. but.....with cars basically reading the road and having alarms go off..... What I mean about driverless cars where it does all the "hard work" for you, down the road people may not need to actually drive. If people don't know how to drive what would happen if the steering system failed and you have to do it manually? Brakes? Sure its probably never going to happen but still something to think about. Can't have technology do EVERYTHING. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Eddie Foy Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 An interesting read about the consequences of technology. I think all should read it and not dismiss it without actually reading it. Industrial Society and Its Future http://tinyurl.com/62kkal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Ben Reese Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Adam EL-Idrissi? and I think that's fine. There's a whole generation - maybe 2 - the majority of which don't know how to use a manual transmission. There are generations that don't know how to start a car with a choke. There are millions that don't know how to saddle a horse. This is just the next logical step in transportation technology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Eddie Foy Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 The kids not knowing manual? That's just the States. Euro-land, automatics are for the elderly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_610GARAGE Posted April 2, 2015 Author Share Posted April 2, 2015 Adam EL-Idrissi I don't know how much of an issue that would be simply because I don't think that self driving cars will have steering wheels in the next 20 to 30 years. :) I'm actually afraid that either insurance companies and/or governments will make it next to impossible to actually drive a car. But I am a bit paranoid. Eddie Foy I don't know how true that is for the US. I'm 24 and I hate automatics. Two of my colleagues who are around my age also drive manuals. I think if you like driving, and you don't live in the city, you drive a stick, because there more fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Adam EL-Idrissi Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Eddie Foy and that's another reason I like European countries. Same in morocco. Manual everywhere. 610bob? but I want to drive! And it be a 5,6 speed. In 20-30 years I'll be close to retiring,if that's still a thing by then. I'm right there with you on the "bit paranoid" lol.another reason I'm glad my car is obd 1and I don't have progressive with their snap shot aka track where you are and how you drive. If I speed, none of my insurance companies business. With that said,I obey all traffic laws... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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