G+_Brandon Giesing / CosiC Posted April 1, 2016 Share Posted April 1, 2016 Originally shared by Brandon Giesing / CosiCast Native Bash on Windows!? Basically my reaction below sees this http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/03/microsoft-brings-ubuntu-to-windows-10 Holy crap! Wait, this must be an April Fools joke. searches official blogs on both sides https://blogs.windows.com/buildingapps/2016/03/30/run-bash-on-ubuntu-on-windows/ http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2016/03/ubuntu-on-windows.html http://www.hanselman.com/blog/DevelopersCanRunBashShellAndUsermodeUbuntuLinuxBinariesOnWindows10.aspx https://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Build/2016/P488 it's not an April Fools joke HOLY SHIT!?!?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_William L. DeRieux IV Posted April 1, 2016 Share Posted April 1, 2016 This is hardly a justification to switch to Windows 10..? as Windows 7 and earlier has Cygwin. Not to mention a native Linux instillation...would bypass all of the bullshit or issues one would encounter.? PS: as the article suggest, and is probably true, Microsoft and Canonical/Ubuntu want to being the Bash shell to Windows as a native program (read as not through Cygwin, or cross-compiled, etc)... But what about the rest of the open source would? Do they want their beloved Bash to promote Windows? I would think ...open source should stay open source and having nothing to do with Microsoft (even if they are expressing sentiment, of any kind, towards linux and OSS (open source software).? In other words.......Microsoft be Damned! And (IMHO) can go f'off?. I used to use Windows (pre-XP) upto Windows 7....because there was not a real-alternatives. But now....after giving Debian (and/or it's derivate's another look)...there is nothing I could do on Windows that I cannot, also, do under Debian Linux. I guess I was always a Linux fanboy....but,too, much stuff required windows......but that is, happily.....no more as........................... MS can go f'off and now I say.... Forever....Linux.? Then, again, it could also have to something to do with MS-Windows costing moeny and Linux being 100% cost free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Stephan Vermette Posted April 1, 2016 Share Posted April 1, 2016 April fools? oh this looks real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_William L. DeRieux IV Posted April 1, 2016 Share Posted April 1, 2016 Stephan Vermette This is 100% real...which (IMHO) make is worse than all Aprfil Fools joke that have been or ever will be. It just makes me sick.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Antonio da Silva Posted April 2, 2016 Share Posted April 2, 2016 William L. DeRieux IV? Windows 10 doesn't cost you money like Linux just in case you didn't know. Also way more games on Windows which is a very big reason why it's still very popular. Can't hate the new Microsoft for at least trying new things unlike before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_William L. DeRieux IV Posted April 2, 2016 Share Posted April 2, 2016 Antonio da Silva Firstly, Windows 10 will only be a free upgrade for another 3 months (July 29, 2016 is it)...after that there will be no more free-upgrades and you will have to buy it. Linux has always been free and will continue to be. Secondly, Cygwin has been used on Widows for a while (to run Linux tools) -- this is not a case of Microsoft trying something new. Now instead of the code being open and maintained by the community it will now be controlled directly by Microsoft and I doubt that the community would have any control over it -- including, but not limited to, recompiling an application to use a feature that is plagued by patent/license issue (this happens a lot on linux and application must be re-compiled and the featurs enabled). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Brandon Giesing / CosiC Posted April 2, 2016 Author Share Posted April 2, 2016 William L. DeRieux IV while I agree that a native Linux install will always be better... This will be more compatible than Cygwin and it's going to be controlled by not just Microsoft but also Ubuntu (and in turn Debian) as they are helping. I see this as good because a lot of people still need Windows to do things and it would allow them to work with Linux without rebooting back and forth. Also it would be good for education which could use Linux tools for programming classes but needs Windows for everything else. This way they wouldn't need to buy new computers just for a classroom. Either way your opinion is valid and you can do whatever you want. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Antonio da Silva Posted April 2, 2016 Share Posted April 2, 2016 William L. DeRieux IV? free is still free and most people won't pass that up regardless 3 months left. Not all Linux is free (Red Hat and SUSE). Again this new Microsoft group has tried things that the old regime has not. Give credit when credits due. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_William L. DeRieux IV Posted April 2, 2016 Share Posted April 2, 2016 Antonio da Silva Red Hat and SUSE are enterprise versions of Linux (of course they aren't free) but we are talking about non-enterprise Linux (which is free, Debian, Arch, Ubuntu,Mint, etc, etc). Also I know some people who want to keep using Windows 7 and 8 ... they might, eventually, decide to switch to Windows 10 -- but I would doubt that they would make the decision in the next 3 months. Moreover, all Microsoft has done is to, potentially, replace, Cygwin on the Windows desktop....(this will probably, only result in huring Cygwin development as there will no longer by any reason to support windows). Furthermore, I don't see how Microsoft has done anything revolutionary here just short of giving windows a spit shine and slight polish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_William L. DeRieux IV Posted April 2, 2016 Share Posted April 2, 2016 Brandon Giesing Ok...but all of the linux programming tools (gcc, g++, etc) -- including bash and all the command line tools -- were already available as part of Cygwin and, by extension, could already have been used in an educational setting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Brandon Giesing / CosiC Posted April 2, 2016 Author Share Posted April 2, 2016 William L. DeRieux IV not all consumer Linux is free either. Look at Zorin. Also nobody here ever said it was revolutionary. Just that Microsoft is trying new things (one company trying something they haven't done doesn't mean it's revolutionary) Also Schools would never install Cygwin as it's buggy because it's emulating instead of being native. Thing is your whole argument against this is it will kill Cygwin but they can coexist especially because this is only Windows 10 and Cygwin is any Windows version. Heck Cygwin could probably hook into Windows 10's version to add extra functionality so Cygwin won't be going anywhere. Also you mention Microsoft should stay away from Open Source. You do realize they have tons of Open Source stuff also that's really good and even various Linux distros have used the components. Basically you are being one of those insane fanboys who only like their thing and has to complain when somebody else does something when it's all helping each other and innovating. You can hate Windows but that doesn't mean you shouldn't at least acknowledge when they actually do something great just because. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Antonio da Silva Posted April 2, 2016 Share Posted April 2, 2016 William L. DeRieux IV? there is fanboys that will never admit and then the rest of us who will give credit when someone is trying something that they normally don't do. That's the whole point of this conversation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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