G+_Anibal Perez Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Tom Wisniewski Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 Sometimes a crime is necessary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_John Clark Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 Sure. He could have avoided a crime: "Hey everyone! A lot of those people you ignore and joke about wearing tin foil hats are right! For example... Uh... I'm not allowed to say... And I just lost my job for even saying this little." "Is this mic on?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Paul Turner Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 Stan Cook was the government who committed the crime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Tom Wisniewski Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 Stan Cook Saying anything, would've broken the law I think. Either way, simply saying what he knew without showing what he knew, wouldn't have had the same impact. People would treat him as just another conspiracy theorist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Joey Aguilera (tentacle Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 Seems somebody can't stay out of the spotlight :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Dory Goldberger Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 Robert Burch the founding of this country is very interesting if you look at it from the outside. They don't teach the genaside, torture, and destruction angle in US schools. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Bill Hoover Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 Snowden broke his bond with the people who hired him. He is a criminal and should be in jail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Doc Funkinstein Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 nice try Bill Hoover or NSA agent take your pic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Beckee Williams Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 +1 J. William Hunt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Tor Iver Wilhelmsen Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 Lou Gagliardi, by the time you get to that level it will be too late. Then again, I can picture that you would be one of the more than willing participants in that surveillance... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Dave ODell Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 Edward is simply a patriot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Torkel Lindell Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 I'm more baffled over that the NSA thought that spying on this level could be kept secret? If Snowden had'nt blown the whistle someone else would? Is USA really the "land of the free" or is it an Orwellian police-state? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Andrew McGlashan Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 Edward Snowden is a WORLD HERO, I very much appreciate what he has done as a whistleblower -- he is NOT a criminal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Dory Goldberger Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 They already might. If you follow the teachings of Dave Ramsay and start paying cash for everything according to the NDAA you might be a terrorist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Uncle Joe (Uncle Joe Hi Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 Alex Garcia "Why is it when the U.S. spies on others there is a huge problem." It's not "others" it's us. And it happens to be unconstitutional. So if you have a serious problem with the Constitution then I could see you're point. Here's another problem. Is it worth it to me to save another 911? No. Basic police work would have tipped us off to 911. We lost ~3000 people on 911. I'm sorry but that's simply not worth throwing away our civil liberties when you compare that to the hundreds of thousands we've lost trying to defend those liberties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Dave ODell Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 Stan Cook Edward is a true patriot. Morons like you don't recognize that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Dave ODell Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 Lou Gagliardi Bullshit! Edward is a true patriot. Tea Baggers like you don't recognize that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Dave ODell Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 Alex Garcia I'm NOT ok with that ... unless they have a for-cause warrant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Mark Rychel Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 Why does it seem that in these comments those defending Snowden resort to name calling and personal attacks. Can't there be a civil discussion on this controversial subject. It sure is easy to hide behind a comment on a social media site. I know , I am a Moron for posting this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Uncle Joe (Uncle Joe Hi Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 Alex Garcia It doesn't matter if it effects me. It's wrong. The current administration has already used the IRS to target political enemies. With a trove of information like the NSA has what's to stop another, or this one, from mining it for similar purposes? For all we know they are now. There's a reason this is unconstitutional. There are many other ways to stop someone making bombs. And what if they don't? Again, 2-3000 people are not worth the liberty of a nation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Uncle Joe (Uncle Joe Hi Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 Dave ODell FWIW, I'm a TP'er and I'm glad Snowden revealed all of this. I wish he would have used a domestic journalist and done things a little differently but it's so good to have this out now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Andrew McGlashan Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 The NSA spying goes on worldwide -- here in AU we are part of the 5 eyes (together with Canada, NZ, UK and of course the US). I don't agree with this arrangement, but I can't stop it myself. We have rights too, it isn't just the US that has a constitution. To make it worse, the US often dictates trade /agreements/ that other countries are unable to fight or get a fair deal. When you think of SOPA, PIPA and all those other nasty acts .... don't forget that the US tries to trample non-US rights as part of their trade agreements. Your freedom and liberty in the US is heavily compromised, ours is even more compromised. It's not okay for NSA to spy on US nor is it okay for them to spy on other countries' people, particularly when there are alliances. I am outside the US, and without the US constitution protecting me, but why is it okay for the NSA to trample my rights? Too often I hear from US people that it's okay to spy on overseas people, but not okay to spy on US people .... that's just double standards. This has got to stop, everywhere, not just for US citizens, but for everybody in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_James Rogers Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 Mr Snowden started off as a noble figure. He definitely put himself in the crosshairs to reveal information that the public needed to be made aware of. However, what has happened since has put him in a negative light. He is using a trove of government secrets as a bargaining chip to stay alive, and he's been desperately trying to gain asylum in countries that don't see eye to eye with ours, and who could use him and his information to their advantage. I know it is a bit judgmental to ask a man to become a martyr, but Mr Snowden did put himself in that position on his own, supposedly due to his convictions. However, his actions since have been purely about self-preservation. And unfortunately, the way he has gone about it has created a great risk for our country. To think otherwise would be incredibly naive. Was Snowden a hero? Yes, to some degree. Initially. Is he a traitor? That's probably taking it a bit too far, but he does currently pose a great risk to the US because of who he has chosen to ally himself with. I don't know how he didn't see this endgame coming, but there is one undeniable truth- he put himself in this position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Andrew McGlashan Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 James Rogers He did what he felt had to be done; it was a conscious decision to right a bunch of wrongs. Even when he was on the job, he was known to quote the constitution and support his fellow workers. All in all, from what I've seen and heard, ES is an exceptional human being with a strong will to do what is right for the people vs the state (in this case particularly NSA over reach). He values privacy as we all should and was in a privileged position to truly see what the NSA was up to .... he didn't like it and he managed to blow the whistle. I'm sure he would say that he didn't really have a choice, he was [and clearly still is] compelled for the greater good. We need many more Edward Snowden's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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