G+_Kevin Spitzer (JaguarXT Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 It has begun... Leo Laporte Lisa Laporte Rene Ritchie Andy Ihnatko Steve Gibson Alex Lindsay http://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/joe-shocked-by-apple-fight-says-it-s-outrageous-624486467544 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_John Potter Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Trump FTW!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Eng. Jorge Santana Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 They where waiting for something like this to go after Apple on security, Google is next. Facebook is an open book to the government they buy the information. Now they want the same from Apple... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_John Potter Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Eng. Jorge Santana I completely agree! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_52Degrees Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 There is NO REASON to go after the phone directly. They can very easily get the phone records directly from the carriers, and find anything else by requesting a report from the choke points the public internet goes through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Antonio da Silva Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Ok I'm going to throw this out there. If there is a cause like this and they have a warrant from the court to ONLY see the device in question and only Apple can unlock it. Would you be ask in favor of it or that process? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_52Degrees Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Absolutely against. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Antonio da Silva Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 52Degrees unless they have notes specifically on the phone then only Apple would have it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_52Degrees Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 So, the shooter's personal, private thoughts are what is in question here? Then, why are we having this discussion? Thought police? Really? Really?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Eng. Jorge Santana Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Apple encrypts the information so carriers can't access it either so does google now. The problem is that if one can be crack then all the information is vulnerable. Apple does not have a way to get the info is as simple as that. Facebook sells the information in bulk that's what they want from everyone... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_52Degrees Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 I left facebook for that very reason. My understanding was that the encryption was isolated to the data on the device, not end-to-end. If it is [end to end], I'm encrypting my phone today! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_52Degrees Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 http://bgr.com/2015/11/23/google-android-encryption-data/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Antonio da Silva Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 52Degrees? personally I don't know exactly what's in question. Not sure what thought police means either. You said there was no reason and I gave you one. No need to freak out about it. I write notes on my phone very often which isn't in the "cloud". What if they did they same and might have information that could lead to more people involved or worse. I wouldn't want other people hurt. I think your would agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_52Degrees Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 No, actually I disagree quite vehemently. The government has far too much power, much more than it was ever supposed to. Further, the power to protect OURSELVES has been severly diminished, and the government wants to take even more. Terrorism is a tool. It's a tool used to strip freedom from people who are more than willing, in the moment, to give it up, if it means they might feel more secure. Out governmnet wields that tool effectively. People like you are evidence of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Antonio da Silva Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 52Degrees? people like me? What is that supposed to mean? Is that meant to be a way to talk to someone. Your absolutely ridiculous with that comment and rude. I never once said what I was in favor of one way or another. All I said that I wouldn't want to get anyone hurt. Maybe before you jump into conclusions you should ask the right questions first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Eng. Jorge Santana Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 The problem is that they always over react after 9/11 and the patriot act NSA etc. began massively capturing data on everyone. I agree I want the people responsible for San Bernardino capture but it's never a targeted response. If they get to broke the encryption on a iPhone etc. then all will be vulnerable so your business/personal/etc... Information will be collateral damage. To me it should not be even in cases like this one, obviously a lot of people think the Gov. needs to keep us save so capture or unencrypt everything to accomplish security. This will end up in the Supreme Court because to Apple and Google it's a big part of their company livelihood to provide security and privacy to customers and partners. Hold on to your hats folks!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Eng. Jorge Santana Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 To me you can have either opinion as long as its an informed one, in this video no one has a grasp of the topic and both host saying they are "giving up their iPhones" and asking "what's wrong with you Apple" is what's coming to Google, etc. for providing security and privacy to their consumers and business partners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_James McCarty Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 I am torn on this. I do not want the gov. to have all the right to take anybody's phone and get into it. But I do not see the problem with them getting a court order on one specific case and being granted access. Look at the trouble they have to go through to get access to a known murderer and terrorist's phone. Someone who is also dead. This is what should have to happen when the government wants access to a US citizens phone. So grant them access and Apple, help them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Eng. Jorge Santana Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Agree but it's not unprecedented right now they can make you use your fingerprint to open your phone but they can't make you tell them your password. So basically you can claim the 5th amendment on that information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Ronald Stepp Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Apple was smart to put it outside their ability to unlock. Once you have the ability to unlock it then the government can hand you a letter and force you to let them unlock ALL the phones. As for why the morons think Apple has some magical ability to suddenly be able to unlock them just because they WANT them to be able to... wow.. wish for something else impossible that will benefit everyone.. like free food from nowhere, instant travel to the other planets, the ability to see the future.. etc etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Harry Maciolek Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 When it comes to technology the people on Morning Joe are totally clueless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Damian Allen Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Don't you love it when rubes talk about things they are ignorant about? Not one person on that panel is a technology expert...nice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_david carvell Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Give any government a back door into encrypted info, how long will it be before the key is hacked by a third party or intentionally passed on by some misguided member of the security services ? We all know how well they look after highly confidential info! Once you open the door doesn't that give a green light to every other government in the world to pass similar legislation, just imagine other not so friendly governments being able to access all our data on our smartphones or in some data storage system . It might be argued that this ability is OK in the hands of a liberal democracy ( I still am against it) what happens in the future if we have a much more controlling repressive government's ? To late the horse has bolted they have the tools. Don't need much imagination to see the consequences. Also it probably won't make much difference to our overall security because there is a plethora of third party encryption software available, and most of the bad guys out there will be aware of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Ronald Stepp Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 One good point that was made is if the government passes a law that requires a database of backdoor keys to be maintained by manufacturers who would keep it safe for when a warrant was issued to unlock specific devices. The point was that, sure, Apple and Google would probably do a good job, but what about the other thousands of companies world wide who would have to also maintain databases for THEIR devices. How safe would those be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Miles France Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 This is the information the average citizen is getting on this topic. Encryption bad, terrorist bad, government good. I agree that terrorists are bad, but creating a backdoor is equivalent to giving a backdoor to anyone. Eventually other governments, our own government (NSA), or some hacker will figure out that backdoor and then it'll be open season on everyones information. It's not just nude selfies, but credit cards, possibly passwords, and lots of other sensitive information. All the while the actual terrorists and bad guys will just add in another level of encryption, or use a different more secure operating system and only the average consumers will be open to these hacks. Encryption is math, you CAN NOT legislate math. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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