I predict that if they start charging for Windows after banging on everyone to upgrade for free, ...

[G+_Jason Perry]

Originally shared by David Dickens

 

I predict that if they start charging for Windows after banging on everyone to upgrade for free, it will be the end of Windows.

For the average user there is no reason why they need a full version of Windows on their computer at home. I prefer PC gaming, but it isn't necessary. And I prefer a full Office suite and a few useful utility programs. But for the price and the hassle I've been thinking the PC I've got at home will likely be my last. If Microsoft pulls these shenanigans, then they've made my mind up for me.

 

My apologies for the Forbes link, beware of their ad blocker policy.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/07/14/microsoft-confirms-windows-10-new-monthly-charge/#60f6e45adfab

[G+_Tyler Pearson]

Ive been hesitant on Linux since the last couple computers I tried it on had driver issues. Although if they do this I will definitely start looking for a good Linux distro. If apple plays it's cards right they can easily take over the majority of computer OS. Just need more software companies to start pushing Linux and MacOs compatible versions.

[G+_William L. DeRieux IV]

Forbes....why make a click-bait-artible?

To Forbes....get your shit together and make proper article titles

 

Someone who only reads titles -- is going to....OMG free Windows 10 costs money.

 

Tyler Pearson the subscription cost for Windows 10 is only for the enterprise version (at least for now).

I already switched to Debian/Linux.

So I will have the best seat in the world to watch this debacle unfold -- completely protected from it.

[G+_Tyler Pearson]

William L. DeRieux IV yeah I read the article and saw that mentioned. Ive been watching Microsoft and assumed this would come or at least a fee per upgrade cycle like apple does or used too? I think it's been a while since there was a major update just free minor updates I believe. Microsoft has been pushing services and wanting to head more towards enterprise it seems. They may not even worry much about consumers in the coming years. With phones and 90% of consumers only needing Chromebook style computers full windows PCs may not be needed. Maybe there should be a Linux Distro round up and comparison for those who don't k or much about them in the future. Although with all the Linux flavours it might be going too far down the rabbit hole.

[G+_William L. DeRieux IV]

Tyler Pearson The only reason there are so many flavors of lInux is because we have derivatives of derivatives (Ex Linux Mint -> Ubuntu -> Debian).

 

I would only look at the top-level distributions: Debian, Fedora, Gentoo, Slackware, and would forget all of the derivatives.

 

That means I only have to contend with, at most, 4 versions rather than 100s upon 100s of derivative versions.

[G+_Terry Henderson]

Jason Perry  That's Only For Enterprise Users, Not Consumers !!!!

[G+_William L. DeRieux IV]

Terry Henderson I think he means -- as many other consumers are worried -- that Microsoft could elect in the future to include consumers in that category (I mean that it is within their power to do so).

[G+_William L. DeRieux IV]

Jason Perry

You mentioned Forbes ad-blocker...

 

I find that their ad-blocker can be bypassed if you goto the link once, get their landing page, and then go back to the same link.

[G+_Terry Henderson]

William L. DeRieux IV  I Have NO Doubt They Will, But Not Till 2018, I Believe !!

[G+_Rud Dog]

Full agreement it seems everything is following the model of the loss of free TV. When they started charging for cable TV it sparked a whole host of monthly fee ideas by vendors. Seems like every time I turn around there is a monthly fee associated with the purchase. Just one case in point wanted to purchase lighting for the front of my house these fixtures have cameras in them but only come with a monthly fee for uploading your videos to their cloud. When asked if they allowed the user to setup their own home based cloud and not use their service the answer was No.

[G+_William L. DeRieux IV]

Rud Dog well if that company said: no you can't roll your own solution--- that is the stock response.

Of course you can, but it might not be easy and would require a lot of technical/hack-y knowledge.

 

Overly simplified example:

1) Use wireshark to capture the communication between the camera and the cloud (this becomes more complicated if they use ssl) -- this gives you an overview of the protocol/language.

2) preform a man-in-the-middle attack on the camera, make it connect to a local server and make it think that server is it's target.

 

More accurate example:

1) You will need to open the camera and look at the circuit inside inorder to reverse engineer it.

2) You might have to find a way to dump the firmware -- with the intention of replacing the firmware

3) hackaday.com is a good place to start, you might also what to search Google for information on that camera's specific model -- maybe someone has already done this.

[G+_Rud Dog]

William L. DeRieux IV Nice of you to take the time posting how this could be addressed but afraid it is outside my area of expertise. Guess the monthly model is just so appealing no one sells home-cloud out of the box, tied to cameras.

[G+_Steve Martin]

Microsoft is expecting most people will get Windows 10 on their next PC purchase, which will be baked into the price. Then upgrades will be free. For those who decide not to upgrade during the first year, they are either unable to upgrade or are being convinced by Anti-MS FUD.

[G+_William L. DeRieux IV]

Steve Martin For those who decide not to upgrade during the first year, they are either unable to upgrade or are being convinced by Anti-MS FUD.

 

> That's a pretty contrived and narrow viewpoint of the situation.

 

Some people just don't like how Microsoft and Apple have become such big commodities that they can do, pretty much, as they please without any regard (or sentiment) for the users.

 

In my case, I do not like being locked into proprietary products -- that I have no control over; nor do I like to shell out money for an operating system -- I think those should be free (as in freedom), freedom from cost and the freedom to do with it as you like.

 

The OSS community meets all of that (and more):

1) It has no financial cost to the user -- and if the user wants to provide support back to the project, they can.

2) If the user does not like how something is being done -- they can modify the code to fit their needs as well as fork the project.

 

PS:

People also seem to still be having a lot of issues with Windows 10 due to not have drivers for hardware or having a system manufacturer that has dropped support for that device or the system.

 

It will be, probably, several years before Windows 10 becomes stable enough that people really no longer have issues.

 

It is the idea that if Windows 7 works for someone, they don't have to update to Windows 10 -- but for those on Windows 10 when Microsoft releases an update that makes it Windows 10.1, etc, users will be automatically updated to an unstable operating system and this will happen again and again with Windows 10.

As a result -- Windows will no be able to be considered a stable operating system (depending on often Microsoft pushes these types of updates).

 

And all of that is not, FUD, as you put it -- it is a sense of peace of mind for the user, and an experience that just works (which was the case prior to Win10 being released -- now users have lost that peace of mind, that something will just work.

All of that is thanks to Microsoft, the hardware and software manufacturers, and planned obsolescence.

[G+_Terry Henderson]

William L. DeRieux IV Apple's OS is Always Free, Has Been, For 3 Years, Already !!!!

[G+_William L. DeRieux IV]

Terry Henderson Apple's OS is Always Free, Has Been, For 3 Years, Already !!!!

 

My use of the term free is two part:

1) It has no financial cost

2) You can do with it as you please

 

Apple's OS (Mac OS X) does not meet the second requirement.

Installing Mac OS X on anything other than an apple device is a violation of their copyright (read: copyright infringement).

Furthermore, apple charges so much for its hardware that is could offer Mac OSX for free -- but only for apple hardware.

 

UPDATE: Only updates to Mac OS X are free, for existing users through the Apple store (this is much like the proposed model MS is using with Windows 10)

 

"Pricing & Availability

OS X El Capitan is available as a free update starting Wednesday, September 30 from the Mac App Store"

 

http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2015/09/29OS-X-El-Capitan-Available-as-a-Free-Update-Tomorrow.html

 

"OS X Lion (10.7) - $19.99

if you need to purchase Mac OS X 10.7 Lion, you may order it from this page. "

 

http://www.apple.com/shop/product/D6106Z/A/os-x-lion

[G+_Terry Henderson]

William L. DeRieux IV  You Want "Free" But Unusable, Go Linux, :-), Besides, I Support Capitalism, I'm Not A Socialist :-)

[G+_William L. DeRieux IV]

Terry Henderson I am already on Debian 8 (Jessie) and I do not find it unusable, far from it.

 

I can do everything I could do on Windows (possible even OS X) -- including gaming, etc.

 

In short, socialism is about production for use, not profit.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=socialist

 

In other words: "humanitarian, philanthropist, nonprofit, the betterment of all life, for the greater good"

 

If that makes me a socialist then bitches be damed, I'm a Socialist.