G+_Jason Perry Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 Looking for a YouTube tutorial. I am standing 80' in the air. I need to hang an Ariel network cable down to that building. Could do it my way but I don't want do this more than once. Comments video recommendations? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Golden Retriever Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 I hope you're not still standing up there waiting for a reply Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Jason Perry Posted April 19, 2017 Author Share Posted April 19, 2017 I have a hammock ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Travis Hershberger Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 Is that a conduit already g between the buildings? How long of a run between network endpoints (not just between buildings)? I always prefer fiber between buildings if I can, just because of the grounding issues with copper. If you don't have anything that is suceptable to jitter (VoIP, Hangouts, Skype) a wireless bridge could work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Golden Retriever Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 Do you need POE? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Jason Perry Posted April 19, 2017 Author Share Posted April 19, 2017 Travis Hershberger?, there is a support wire running the path I want to take already. Not sure how much help that will be though besides to anchor each end of the run. I am trying to firm up distances but I don't see the full end to end run being much longer than 150'. I am going to the far corner of the building in the picture. Fiber or wireless is not an option because it is for a PoE WiMax radio. The picture is from the top pf a grain elevator which is my only good line of sight to the radio on the other end. Tod Sage?, this post should help clarify your question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Golden Retriever Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 Leo has been showing some sort of Corning fiber with USB connectors on each end I don't know if the sheathing contains power or not but they do go a hundred and sixty feet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Peter Hanse Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 We had linked 2 buildings with outdoor Ethernet cable. Believe it was impregnated with silicon liquid. Run must have been 200+ ft. You could check out this cable designed for your application. ubnt.com - Ubiquiti Networks - TOUGHCable™ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Jason Perry Posted April 19, 2017 Author Share Posted April 19, 2017 Peter Hanse?, is that the cable you used, and how is the run holding up? I have found the cable I want to use which is very similar to the one you posted. The big difference is the guage of the wire in addition to the network cable. I am also not interested in buying a full spool when I only need a fifth of it. Only if I could find it in cat 6 amazon.ca - 150ft Aerial Cat5e Outdoor Waterproof Ethernet Cable Direct Burial 150 ft (Pure Copper & Shielded) (Connectors Installed):Amazon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Peter Hanse Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 It is not cable I used. Ours was mounted on outside wall so did not need the extra messenger support. Did search on google shopping for Cat6 Aerial cable and found this Cat 6 version ethernet-cords.com - Cat6, UTP, UV Jacket, Outdoor, CMX, Messenger, 1000ft, Black, Bulk Eth – Ethernet-Cords Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Travis Hershberger Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 Jason Perry You won't get reliable PoE over 100', that's what the standard says at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Jason Perry Posted April 19, 2017 Author Share Posted April 19, 2017 Thanks for pointing that out Travis Hershberger?. My plan would have never worked and I would have been scratching my head. I am going to have to terminate on the wall the drop is going to, put the injector there, then run a second cable to where the gateway is. I really need to do the math to This project is treating the limits of traditional networking. And I thought the 200' run from the house to the shop was the fun part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Jason Marsh Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 I'd go with a direct burial-rated cable from the building to the roof of the elevator, your choice if you want to run a conduit to reduce the effect of heavy loads driving over the buried cable, although burying more than 6" deep should distribute the load enough not to damage direct bury-rated cable. You may even want to bury mains power to the base of the elevator and put your injector there, along with a lightning arrestor, inside an outdoor-rated enclosure. You already mentioned that you want to do it just once; so an enclosure or two, a buried conduit, and a little handy-work are not that much work for a fair bit of insurance against problems in the future. If you have a breaker to hang on the back of a tractor/dozer, you could score a deep enough trench with that in two minutes or less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Jason Perry Posted April 19, 2017 Author Share Posted April 19, 2017 I finally got the measurements. It looks like the only way to make it work is to run power closer. The only way to get power within 100' is to run it to the base of the elevator or right to the top. Personally my preference is all the way to the to the top so if I want to play with other radios I can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Peter Hanse Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 Does grain elevator already have power? If so you could inject power their. However I would check your POE injector and see what it says for max length of cable. I have some point to point links using EnGenius that are longer then 100 ft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Jason Perry Posted April 19, 2017 Author Share Posted April 19, 2017 Peter Hanse?, I will have to look and see what I can find in the radios documentation. And it only had power when it is on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Peter Hanse Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 Jason Perry Mabe you can move switch that activates elevator to elevator but either way check Radio documents. Could also do solar with battery for night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Jared Twomey Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 Jason Perry? you can run POE Ethernet longer than 100m, you just need to add a POE extender in the line. We just did an install at 600' with no issues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Jared Twomey Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 Something like this trendnet.com - TRENDnet | Products | TPE-E100 | Gigabit PoE+ Repeater Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Travis Hershberger Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 Jared Twomey Why not just use a PoE injector where the last repeater would've been? When they all need to be powered anyway, that seems to be a total waste of power to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Jason Perry Posted April 20, 2017 Author Share Posted April 20, 2017 I am a little confused that looks like an ethernet repeater powered by a PoE injector. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Peter Hanse Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 What is confusing is that they talk of adding additional 100 meters for total of 200 Meters so is POE 100 Ft or 100 Meters that is big difference. I believe it is 100 Meters without extender. I also found the bellow extender that is for extending ethernet and POE and is says first link is 100 M and it can add additional 100 M I belive POE Active or POE + 48 Volt does 100 m the POE passive 24 volt does 50 m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Travis Hershberger Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 Peter Hanse The ethernet spec, without using a repeater, is 100meters or ~328 feet. Those are likely Ethernet repeaters and NOT PoE repeaters. Let's just say that making a PoE 'repeater' would cause all sorts of other issues with the power being passed. I've been bit by this myself, it's how I memorized the PoE 100' spec! I had a 150' CAT 6 cable I was trying to use with a PoE AP.... didn't work, the voltage drop was to much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Jared Twomey Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 Travis Hershberger? it is a POE extender, so you don't need power where that extender is. Just Poe in, and it boosts the signal + POE another 100 meters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Peter Hanse Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 I believe they are Ethernet and POE extenders Look at this one it specifically says for extending POE for Cameras and devices that need POE. http://www.veracityglobal.com/products/ethernet-and-poe-devices/outreach-max.aspx But for this aplication that +Jason Perry has requirements of about 125 Ft so no need for extenders just use good quality outdoor Aerial rated wire and if you are suspending it you would want the type of messenger. https://cabling-supplies.com/cat5e-aerial-outdoor-cable-with-messenger-300.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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