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[G+_Michael Heinz]

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[G+_G. Rick Marshall]

Welcome to net neutrality.

[G+_Eddie Foy]

LOL.  Jurisdiction over reach?  What authority dose it have? I'll post what ever I f'ing want.  FAA controls communications and the constitution doesn't apply to their desires?

[G+_Billy Vaughn]

G. Rick Marshall What does drone rulings have to do with net neutrality? Do you think they will cut your internet access off if you post some drone footage? Don't worry, it won't happen.

[G+_G. Rick Marshall]

Billy Vaughn The way they will enforce drone rulings is with regulation of the internet allowed by the FCC's net neutrality rulings. Once you let them in, there will be all manner of regulations. I doubt they will cut your internet access without a court order, but they might make it so your ISP cuts your internet to keep from being run out of business.

[G+_Nick Barlow]

Does the FAA have regulatory and enforcement authority over video?

[G+_Chris Bickhaus]

Guys, did you read the article? The FAA did not pass regulations preventing you from posting drone videos to YouTube. One guy in a regional office sent a letter to someone who posted drone videos on YouTube, and told him that the video posting made his flight commercial rather than hobbyist due to YouTube's placement of ads on his videos. The FAA's official response to the website in the update section of the article includes this statement: "The FAA’s guidance calls for inspectors to notify someone with a letter and then follow up. The guidance does not include language about advertising. The FAA will look into the matter."

 

I don't think the sky...err drone is falling yet.?

[G+_Chris Bickhaus]

As for net neutrality, talk about FUD. If the FAA decides at some point that this safety inspector was right and passes regulations preventing people without a commercial pilots license from posting drone videos to YouTube, they will not enforce it with net neutrality. They will seek that the videos be taken down pursuant to their own regulations which make the postings illegal.

It is analogous to someone hosting a drug/sex/child trafficking site in the US. The law enforcement agency seeking the takedown wouldn't even mention net neutrality in court (and not just because it would not make any sense), they would mention the laws and regulations that made it illegal to have such a website.

 

edit: grammar

[G+_Brent Burzycki]

FCC and FAA let's not mix those up....

[G+_Fr. Robert Ballecer, SJ]

G. Rick Marshall FAA = "Federal Aviation Administration"

 

FCC = Federal Communications Commission

 

They have nothing to do with each other.

 

Either you did not know that, and now you do, (in which case.. Yah!) Or you're trolling.

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[G+_G. Rick Marshall]

Father Robert (sorry I don't know how to make your name a link like you did mine). Yes, I do know the difference between government agencies. No I'm not trolling. I'm trying to wake you millennials up to the dangers of a regulated internet. The FAA did try to make an issue of a drone video on the Internet, not the drone flight. If FAA wants enforcement of more than a single drone video, they will either have to get Youtube to take it down or have the FCC censor it through regulation on the internet. Bottom line - that is what net neutrality is, you can't have it without some entity patrolling to enforce it. Once the enforcement is in place, it can't just be limited to keeping Verizon from charging some customers more than others or favoring some customers more than others.

[G+_Fr. Robert Ballecer, SJ]

G. Rick Marshall

1. I am not a millennial

2. The FAA isn't trying to enforce content restrictions. They're enforcing commercial vs. Non-commercial flight. Where the video shows up is inconsequential.

3. I know the ramifications of a regulated internet. In fact, I've spent the last two years taking about it on two different shows.

4. Have you read all 400 pages of the release? Because I have.

5. Nope. Just nope.?.. The regulations are about the interconnects. That's what the FUD crowd seem to not understand.

[G+_G. Rick Marshall]

Fr. Robert, 

 

1. OK.

2. The FAA is trying to enforce this content restriction not all content restrictions.

3. Thank you for spending time talking about this.

4. I have not. My original comment was about the ramifications of net neutrality. I considered this part of that since the FCC ruling (and not Congress) overturned 20 years of internet freedom. 

5. What is FUD? Do you really think regulation will stop with interconnects?

[G+_Chris Bickhaus]

I'm not Padre, but...

2. The FAA inspector did not object to the content of the video and site that as the reason the video needed to be taken down. The inspector pointed to the fact that you can make money from YouTube ads and determined that this retroactively made his flight commercial. Commercial flights require licenses and are subject to many regulations.

As I pointed out in my earlier comment, this was the act of one inspector and the official response from the FAA made it seem that the agency does not necessarily endorse his actions.

4. He was talking about neutrality here too. The FCC just released the documents from the net neutrality order. It is a long read.

Also net neutrality is not new. It was the law for a few years prior to last January when it was struck down on a technicality. It didn't change the internet then, and I hope it won't now either.

5. FUD is an acronym that means fear, uncertainty, and doubt. Interconnections make the Internet an internet. What the regulations do is prevent ISPs from purposely blocking or slowing user access to content. I think they adopted regulations regarding edge providers as well, but I will let someone else speak to that.

[G+_Fr. Robert Ballecer, SJ]

G. Rick Marshall 

** Let's make this clear... this wasn't a CONTENT issue. This was a commercial vs. non-commercial issue. This had NOTHING to do with censorship. In fact, if you read the original letter, you'll see that the OP was more than welcome to fly as long as he did under the terms of commercial flight. -- Furthermore, as several posters have pointed out, the FAA has rescinded the letter because it was the work of a single safety inspector who was responding to a complaint.

 

** Please explain why you think the FCC would need to go to congress to enact Title II.

 

-- With their passing of the 1996 Telecommunications Act, Congress GAVE the FCC the authority to classify services. In 2002, bowing to industry pressure, they classified ISPs as "Information Services" rather than "common carriers" -- This decision was simply a reclassification of ISPs. No new law is required, therefore, no act of congress is required.

 

** Yes. I do believe that the regulations will stop with the interconnects... because they spell out in the 400 pages what they will and will not do. And they SPECIFICALLY say that they WILL NOT use Title II for anything more than demanding transparency from the ISPs when it comes to interconnects.

 

As for "FUD" -- The essence of Net Neutrality FUD is the making of wild, panicked claims about what COULD happen without actually stopping to read the decisions, the laws, or know the history of the FCC involvement in the 1996 Telecommunications act or the 1986 Cable Communications act.

[G+_Fr. Robert Ballecer, SJ]

BTW Eddie Foy ... the FAA doesn't control communications.

[G+_G. Rick Marshall]

Fr. Robert Ballecer, SJ If it wasn't about content (the drone flying and the ads), the video wouldn't have caught the FAA's attention. Yes, ,I'm aware the letter was rescinded. Do you suppose there was any FUD on the FAA's part?

 

Title II is already law. The FCC will not need to go to Congress. Congress will have to act to overturn the FCC. 

 

I accept your description of the history on the 1996 Telecommunications Act. In 2002, the FCC classified broadband service offered by cable companies as "information services," while DSL services offered by telephone companies remained under Title II "common carrier" regulations until 2005. Internet services have been on roughly equal regulatory footing since then until the FCC's latest reclassification.

 

Putting all ISPs under Title II is a step backward. It's about control. What's the first thing that happened in the countries that experienced the Arab Spring? Reclassifying ISPs under a 1930s law will allow that control. It will have disastrous consequences for the 'Net, the industry and the consumer. At the risk of being accused of FUD, it is the camel's nose under the tent.

 

The big ISPs will welcome the reduction in competition that has brought so much advance and competitive pricing. Innovation will go back to the snails pace.

 

When you read the 400 page decision, did you run across this sentence:

 

“A person engaged in the provision of broadband Internet access service, insofar as such person is so engaged, shall not block lawful content, applications, services, or non- harmful devices, subject to reasonable network management..."

 

Who then, now that these regulations are in effect, will determine which Internet content is lawful and unlawful? Wasn't that what the lone wolf at the FAA was trying to do?

 

I'm not alone. Electronic Frontier Foundation, a supporter of net neutrality has called that sentence  "a worrisome bit" https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2015/02/fccs-latest-net-neutrality-proposal-pros-cons-and-question-marks

 

To quote them:

 

“Does the FCC intend to suggest that throttling unlawful content is OK? How are ISPs to determine what is and is not lawful without snooping on their users?”

 

Was that drone video in the context of ads unlawful? At least one FAA regulator thought so.

[G+_G. Rick Marshall]

Chris Bickhaus Thank you for your explanation. I appreciate it.

[G+_Fr. Robert Ballecer, SJ]

G. Rick Marshall "The big ISPs will welcome the reduction in competition that has brought so much advance and competitive pricing. Innovation will go back to the snails pace."

 

What competition are you referring to? That's the whole point... there IS no competition. Under the new guidlines where broadband is defined at 15Mbps/5Mbps, MANY Americans have NO choice and ~60% of Americans have 1 choice. That's not competition... and that's what they're trying to solve with Title II.

 

Thank you for admitting that the FCC didn't bypass congress.

 

Lawful vs. Unlawful is easy: Traffic is lawful. Attack traffic is unlawful. This bit in the regulations is a bone to ISPs who want the ability to block attack traffic upstream.

 

And again... THE FAA REGULATOR DIDN'T BLOCK THE CONTENT!!!! ---

 

He filed a C&D. The video didn't disappear from the Internet. He had no power to tell YouTube to pull it down. In fact, even in the context of the letter, which is now rescinded, the user could have kept his video on YouTube if he had disabled monetization. -- BECAUSE IT WASN'T A CENSORSHIP ISSUE... IT WAS A COMMERCIAL vs. NONCOMMERCIAL ISSUE.

[G+_G. Rick Marshall]

Fr. Robert Ballecer, SJ Title II regulated the phone companies and is why we had the monopoly with Ma Bell and no innovation. You may not remember that. We didn't get cell phones or even cheaper long distance until regulation was taken away.

 

I never said the FAA blocked content. He was headed in that direction and was pulled back. As for Commercial vs NonCommercial, I can only think of the line from the wizard of Oz, "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain". At best that is a fig leaf.

 

 I don't expect you to be convinced until they really are blocking drone videos because of unlawful content.

 

Did you read the EFF comment on unlawful? They don't see it "easy" like you. They are worried about unlawful being used as an excuse for blocking. An example might be with Hollywood complaining about BitTorrents for content. Or packet dropping which the ISPs use to ease traffic congestion.

[G+_Fr. Robert Ballecer, SJ]

G. Rick Marshall Actually... you've got that backwards. It wasn't until government regulation of the phone system (taking away the lock-in of MaBell) that we had true innovation. Without that regulation, you would still be required to rent your phone from the ONE phone company... and don't even THINK about plugging in a modem.

 

You are entitled to your opinion... but I completely disagree with you.

 

When the FAA is contacting the FCC to block drone videos, then you come back here and I'll admit you were right... till then... it's all FUD to me.

[G+_G. Rick Marshall]

I agree with you that when the "lock-in of MaBell" was taken away, we had new innovation. It is my point exactly. Congress had to pass legislation to take away those regulations that allowed the monopoly.

 

The problem with net neutrality is that it returns us to monopolies because of government regulation. The little competitors don't have the resources to comply with all the regulations. When ISPs where classified as "Information Services" rather than "common carriers" we had more freedom because there was no "enforcer". Now that they are "common carriers" we have an enforcer, Title II, a 1930's law that led to the Ma Bell monopoly.

[G+_Chris Bickhaus]

Based on the past few back and forths, I think part of the reason this debate is still going is because the word content has multiple definitions being used here:

Fr. Robert Ballecer, SJ? : Rick seems to be using content to mean a piece of content, as in the video itself.

G. Rick Marshall? : When Padre and I are talking about commerical/non-commercial vs. content restriction, we are talking about whether the restriction is based on what the video contains.  This implicates the First Amendment of the US Constitution.

 

Therefore, Rick you are right that the FAA inspector was trying to restrict a piece of content.  However, the point that Padre and I were trying to make is that the content (i.e., subject, i.e., drone video) of that piece of content was not the basis for the restriction.  Therefore, there is no implication of the First Amendment, nor is there censorship in a freedom of expression sense.

 

According to the basis of the inspector's letter, the letter would have been sent if the video had been taken on a camera placed on an ultra-light, or a single prop plane.  It further would have been sent regardless of whether the footage recorded the White House, Mt. Rushmore, or the pilot's own land.

 

You are of course free to posit and believe that this inspector may have it out for drones and was looking for any legal basis he thought was at his disposal to have try and prevent such videos from making there way to YouTube.  I just wanted to make sure that everyone was on the same page here regarding the use of the word content.?

[G+_G. Rick Marshall]

Chris Bickhaus Thank you for trying to find common ground on this issue. I wasn't arguing on first amendment grounds so you have a point. 

 

My point was that the FAA deemed the content illegal. Under the new net neutrality regime (to overcome the judicial ruling won by Verizon over a year ago) it was possible for the FAA to have the video removed.

 

Yes, under the old rules that might have been possible as well but would have required court action. Given the context, I think intent could have been argued to defeat the FAA. Of course the FAA backed down on this one, but I think content is now more vulnerable if it can somehow be construed as illegal.

 

If the individual content provider won't pull it down, the "common carriers" will, to preserve their operations.