G+_Michael Heinz Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 His "drone" was a 3" micro-quad. http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/28914009/drone-operator-chased-tased-by-ranger-at-hawaii-volcanoes-national-park Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Eddie Foy Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 LOL and most LEO are just failed HS jocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_John Phillips Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Geez looks like a massive over reaction by the ranger, I dont know what the laws are there but surely a warning would have been sufficient? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Steve C Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 It seems like they must have something to hide there at the Hawaii Volcanoes National Park! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Jason Marsh Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Every idiot in the world knows better; if you don't, here's a few simple rules for you: 1a. There are rules for where you can operate model aircraft/"drones". If you wish to operate one, you should know where you can and cannot. In general, National Parks are totally off-limits. 1b. YOU invite the contact by violating 1a. 2. When approached by a LEO, don't force an escalation by being argumentative or combative, and don't run. You invited him (refer to 1b), so don't be a jerk when he responds to your invite. 3. There is a time and place for stating your case and arguing; that place is the courtroom. When you're in the courtroom, your chances of getting a citation dropped are virtually eliminated if you don't respect the LEOs obligation to do his job and try to make the public place where he made contact with you to be that courtroom. 4. Your LEOs have sworn an oath to serve the public. YOU are part of that public, and YOU don't pay them much, even though they are at risk every day as public representatives of what is becoming an ever-more disliked and distrusted government. Even small-town cops are wearing body armor when on duty because they just want to be able to go home and see their spouse and kids after their shift. Wow, that's long enough. In general I've learned that if you are decent to others, they'll be decent with you. I guarantee you the guy in the story would have gotten a verbal warning or a possibly easily-dropped citation if he'd not been a jerk refusing to put down his model and deal with the LEO in a forthright and respectful manner. Eddie Foy Come on, man. That comment is in line with what one would expect of basement-dwelling losers who never realized their potential at anything except internet trolling. I'm sure you've excelled at much more than that in your life, so why sound like one who hasn't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Steve C Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Since hundreds of people disappear in national parks every year and the park service is trying to cover it up maybe they didn't want him to spot where the bodies were buried? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Jason Marsh Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 No, there is not a direct route from flying quad to getting tazed or shot. You have to induce such outcome by not playing by the rules. I'm not saying you have to respect the LEO as a person, what I'm saying is you have to respect his AUTHORITY and his DUTY. After all, you do pay taxes, right? So that means you think that he should be doing the job you pay him to do; to uphold the law and serve the public. You don't pay him to play chase with you or be your debate opposition or sparring partner. If YOU were a LEO and someone who drew your attention of their own volition was argumentative or combative to you, or fled from you, you'd be on edge, your adrenaline would be amped up, and you'd make mistakes on occasion, as well. No LEO is a robot, so you can't expect that given such stimulus as a previously-defined jerk, they will all always treat you with more respect than you treat them. It just isn't reasonable to expect so. Having said that, I've had my share of interface time with LEOs because of my driving habits when I was younger and less mature. I have been respectful and I have been less so. I have observed a correlation between what I put into the event and what they put into it. Almost 100% of the time, when you are respectful and obey their lawful orders, you will be treated respectfully and fairly. If you aren't respectful toward them, you may even be surprised and feel guilty later after they STILL treat you with respect. I have been a jerk to a cop during a traffic stop and been floored by how he took it in stride. They are people, and many, if not most, are outstandingly decent toward people. There are those who aren't but I firmly believe they are a small minority. The shame is that you don't see news stories about good guys being good. It's not newsworthy, apparently. What is newsworthy is something that will get people up in arms, because that drives people to your news broadcast or webpage and that's where you get ad impressions. That's how you get paid, so unfortunately for the good guys it pays to only focus on stories about bad guys. The moral of the story is: Don't push buttons if you don't want to be responsible for what happens. The more respectful and mature you are in your dealings with others, LEOs or not, the better your interactions will be. I don't know the guy who got tazed, and I'm certain that nobody here was actually there, so we're all left with only what the mass media feed us for info. That's why I haven't said anything critical of either the guy or the park ranger. Anyone without first-hand knowledge of the event is unqualified to make any determination about it at all. That's why I've only discussed generally the topic of police-policed interactions. FYI I'm not a LEO. I am a retired Soldier, though, so I do have training and an internalized understanding of the rules and dynamics of escalation of force. Basically, if I was a LEO with a less-lethal option, I'd sure as heck use it to stop you if you were interfering with justice/running/combative, etc and you wouldn't respond to anything else. That doesn't mean I'd walk up to you and say, "hey put that down" and taze you immediately if the quad didn't fall out of the sky. I have my doubts that's what the LEO in this case did, and I'm sure that the LEO gave him more time and respect than he was really due before tazing him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Jason Marsh Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 I'd also like to add that I've had my share of interactions with NPS Rangers, and every one of them I've spoken with absolutely loves his/her job and loves to meet and educate the public about the wonders of their park. If you're being a D and not following the rules, you're taking them away from sharing with and educating worthy, law-abiding citizens who are there to learn and appreciate the parks. Not cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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