G+_Ben Reese Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 Does anyone have a favorite personal "cloud" solution they recommend? I'm trying out ownCloud right now and it works pretty good. I've read that nextCloud is taking the place of oC in the future. I'm wanting: multiple users external CIFS/SMB share support SSL/TLS (must) ability to share links to files with non-users Most of this is available from Dropbox/Google Drive, but they're so limited or expensive for storage. Plus, I don't want to have to trust them with my data. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Eddie Foy Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 Interested in results and comments. But isn't a personal/internal cloud the exact opposite of cloud? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Travis Hershberger Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 Eddie Foy NextCloud and ownCloud (tho I'd ignore the latter in favor of the former now) both operate to the user exactly like most other "cloud" offerings. File sync, online multi-user document editing, calendars, etc, are all about the same as what you get with the paid for offerings. Now that NextCloud has Collabora integration, they can offer voice and video chat/conferencing as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Travis Hershberger Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 Eddie Foy Keep in mind that "cloud" is just marketing speak for "someone else's servers". I used to use a browser plugin that automatically changed any text from "cloud" to "***". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Ben Reese Posted July 20, 2016 Author Share Posted July 20, 2016 Maybe depending on how you're accessing it. I had a VM setup to host a WordPress site and it already had HTTPS from Let's Encrypt. I installed ownCloud there and it just worked. The ports are open, so my "cloud" is accessible from the "cloud". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Ben Reese Posted July 20, 2016 Author Share Posted July 20, 2016 The term "cloud" has been around since I can remember to reference the Internet as a whole from a networking standpoint. In my opinion, once it's made accessible outside your personal LAN, it becomes part of the "cloud". I agree, though... WAY overused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Eddie Foy Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 External CIFS/SMB? Really? Just DMZ your entire LAN. :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Ben Reese Posted July 20, 2016 Author Share Posted July 20, 2016 And I'll probably give NextCloud a shot. I just cloned the VM to install it there. I've already tried getting some family members to give it a shot, so I don't want to go and break it just yet (kinda turns them off from tech if it doesn't work). I'm real curious to hear if others suggestions though. Just heard Leo say he's trying Sandstorm and that sounds like an interesting concept too. Almost Dockr-like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Ben Reese Posted July 20, 2016 Author Share Posted July 20, 2016 Eddie Foy Hehe. Not external to the network - just external to the server. Like, in this case, I've got ownCloud running on a VM and I created a new owncloud user on Windows. That Windows user can't log into the computer, but can access the CIFS shares I grant him access to. SO... The CIFS/SMB share isn't publicly accessible except through the ownCloud interface. Then ownCloud is running on a VM hosted on my Windows machine (for now). In other words, Port 445 is not open through my router, but 443 is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Ben Reese Posted July 20, 2016 Author Share Posted July 20, 2016 And locally hosted servers bring up another point... Security if this Linux server is compromised then the rest of my network is at risk. I think I need to setup fail2ban. I'm using a randomly generated, secure password for the ownCloud admin account - which I'm assuming is stored securely, but hard to know for sure without looking at source (and knowing what I'm looking at/for)... I'm pretty sure I set firewall rules when I originally setup Let's Encrypt and WordPress. (Still, that's just the second layer since my router is the 1st.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Eddie Foy Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 Thats just ACLs. (but you did say external) Ponder LDAP in all its glory, and agony. Its the open standard that MS proprietarized into Active Directory. Having a central spot for ACLs/group policies. is a good thing and easier to maintain in the long run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Eddie Foy Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 A RasPi or two should handle the LDAP, and a few other low usage servers: DHCP, RADIUS, etc. of a home network. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Eddie Foy Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 Shouldn't need to look at the source for how onecloud stores PWs. It should be in the docs/freely available. (if not, RUN from it) bcrypt is a killer one. Beyond slow on a HashCat rig. (I get about 15billion MD5 a sec, 272K WPA's a sec and about 4 bcrypt's a second) (My rig is 3x Radeon R9 270's) WordPress itself is usually pretty OK. It the plugins and themes that cause trouble (but that IS a WP core problem) Get yourself wpscan and run it on every WP, plugin, theme change, upgrade, addition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Ben Reese Posted July 20, 2016 Author Share Posted July 20, 2016 See, ultimately I'd love to create a drop-in server that someone could plug into their network and have photo storage, video player, sharing (public and private network side), etc. I think Synology is probably the closest to that currently and I wouldn't be surprised if there was a NextCloud/ownCloud app for Synology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Eddie Foy Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 A drop-in? Look into Docker. Its about exactly what you want. There may already be a Docker container that does it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Travis Hershberger Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 From the poll results, I can only assume that people don't know that NextCloud was forked from ownCloud because ownCloud was doing paid for only features instead of just paid support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Ben Reese Posted July 21, 2016 Author Share Posted July 21, 2016 Travis Hershberger ownCloud has been around a lot longer, so it wouldn't surprise me of most just haven't heard of NextCloud - I hasn't until a few days ago. But that brings up the question: what's the difference? I still haven't tried NextCloud. What does it offer that ownCloud doesn't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Travis Hershberger Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 They still nearly the same thing, all ownCloud plugins work with NextCloud. The only thing NextCloud has added so far is being able to integrate it with Collabora: https://nextcloud.com/collaboraonline/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Eddie Foy Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 Hey, I just stumbled across this. WP, OneCloud in a RasPi Docker http://tinyurl.com/pmofcby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Ben Reese Posted July 21, 2016 Author Share Posted July 21, 2016 If I ever get to build a new system, my current system is getting a few more drives and hopefully become an XPenology NAS. I'll definitely be playing with Dockr more then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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