G+_Steve Chester Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 I'm listening to yesterday's TWiT. The problem with the NSA's data collection isn't right now. It is in 20 years when the president then is up for reelection and can find incriminating data about the person running against him or her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Matt Lucas Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 What about someone that the government doesn't like, say an independent journalist, that has valid dirt on someone high up. One call to the NSA and Boom they are now being arrested because someone now sees their facebook post where they were wasted at 1:22 am and their facebook next to their car that says "Made it!". Past sins no matter how small will come back to haunt you and remember ignorance of a law over you is no defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Michael Beck Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 There you go! This is a time bomb waiting to go of on our democracy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Matt Lucas Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 What do you guys think do Countries have a life cycle and is this it? 1. The age of outburst (or pioneers). 2. The age of conquests. 3. The age of commerce. 4. The age of affluence. 5. The age of intellect. 6. The age of decadence. 7. The age of decline and collapse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Michael Beck Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 The problem is the cycle and its time length is up for grabs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Jeff Stevens Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 It's also cyclical. Look at Britain. It's gone through those probably a few times. I also reject the dialectic approach to history. Different nations progress differently and will skip portions. Also remember that the "nation-state" as we conceive it is not very old. I wouldn't get too attached to dialectics like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Jeff Stevens Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 My assessment of the NSA scandal is that what the NSA is going is making us ever so slightly safer from the threat of terrorists while making us ever so slightly more vulnerable to tyranny by our government. Not hugely so in either direction, but slightly. The problem is that not only is tyranny worse than terrorism, but also that our response to 9/11 is costing us HUNDREDS of billions of dollars to do it. Better to not spend the money, accept the risk of terrorism in a free society, and not increase our threat of devolving into tyranny. The price of freedom is eternal VIGILANCE, not eternal monitoring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Kevin Webb Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 The cato institute reviewed the 50 incidents that the NSA claimed were thwarted by the spying program and found them to be underwhelming things like arresting someone for donating to a terrorist organization. Great clips from the Congressional briefing on the latest episode of No Agenda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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