G+_Jarrad Byron Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 I saw your comment after TWIET regarding Swift. Why not go straight to the source and see if Apple will have one of their guys mentor it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Lee Crocker Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 I see no reason to think Swift will catch on as a language for anything but iOS apps--if even that. Why waste our listeners time? Stick to real languages used for real work on all platforms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Jarrad Byron Posted June 3, 2014 Author Share Posted June 3, 2014 What are your thoughts on how the program would progress? e.g. C# 101, Python 101, Ruby 101, Ruby on Rails 101, Java 101, Visual Basic 101, Colbol 101, Javascript 101, HTML 101, CSS 101, node.js 101, and then then come back to C# and do a 102 class, and just repeat the cycle ad nauseum? I agree, Swift is only for iOS apps - but iOS has 1.2 million apps. It's not like it's a platform no one's ever heard of. After a Swift module, they could do another module for developing for Android (or vice versa). There's only so many relevant coding languages out there. They'll have to come around to working on modules for platform specific development eventually. Along those lines I wouldn't mind seeing a module on something like C-Extensions for Python and optimization of code, etc. Having said that, the audience may not be large enough to warrant this. PadreSJ Have you thought about having the community work on a github project together, and each week take a minute to talk about the progress? It could tie the modules together. Just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Darryl Medley Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 I see merit in both of your points. I agree that the popular platform-independent languages should be covered first so people aren't alienated by something platform-specific. But iOS development is very popular so IF Swift really catches on it would be worth covering. Even though I'm Windows-only, I'd still follow along. My gripe is covering so many languages in the first place. I'd like to see development techniques taught instead of how to do "Hello World" in 20 different languages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Lee Crocker Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 Personally I'd like to see more theory, with examples in whatever language best illustrates it, or with more complete examples. That would be good for both beginners and old hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Jarrad Byron Posted June 4, 2014 Author Share Posted June 4, 2014 Darryl Medley Agreed. I'd rather not see 20 languages either. I think if they could somehow get Apple to provide a Swift guru it would be a boost for the show's exposure and could also help Apple. OTOH, the show's a small fish in a big pond so it's a longshot. Lee Crocker Agreed. More general theory would be great. I didn't like the first couple of episodes. Jumped past basic logic IMHO. They could perhaps do a mini-module where they took a large problem and broke it down into the logical bits and then wrote it up in pseudo-code. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Fr. Robert Ballecer, SJ Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 I am always open to new ways for people to learn... and we're still finding our feet with C101. We think we have a grasp on what works and what doesn't... the only question is getting the right ingredients together at the right time. If there were the ONLY project I was working on, I would have a much stronger off-stream presence, with "after hours" learning for those who wanted to go deeper into each module. Unfortunately I have hit the point where my personal resources will not stretch any further without a reduction in other responsibilities. (Especially with the imminent launch of two other shows and my plans for expanding "Know How") Still... I think the C101 community is large enough where we should probably start having Hangouts... if nothing else, that gives us a forum for enjoying each other's experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Darryl Medley Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 Now that I know Padre has seen my gripes I'm officially ending my whining. If the show is just going to be a simple, fun intro to coding then I'm fine with that and I'll (sadly) stop expecting it to be a course in professional software development. Plus I'll continue to do my best to help folks in here that want to go deeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+_Lee Crocker Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 I never expected anything like a serious development course, but I'll continue to gripe until if the show doesn't feature real experts. That's what I tune into all TWIT shows for: listening to ideas and opinions from people who know more than me about something. And I'll gripe if they waste their time on Swift instead of some real language. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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